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Election Day Jitters

I have them. I'm sure any rational person does, when considering the possibility, however slight, that Donald Trump, the most unfit person to run for President ever might win. Trump keeps escalating his hate-filled attacks and doom and gloom characterizations of our nation. He is now Mr. Negativity.

Make sure to vote. Your vote counts. Never believe that your vote is so small it wouldn't change a thing. It can and it will.

We get the Government we elect. Don't let Donald Trump bring the nation down, down, and down, until it's run into the ground. Get up and vote. The dry cleaners, bank and grocery store can wait until tomorrow. America can't.

My Prediction: The polls are all wrong and Kamala wins by a large margin in all but a few of the most hard-wired, radical-right states with the most under-informed and bitter voters.

I'll be back tonight to cover the madness.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 03:58:45 PM EST
    Politics has largely sucked since Trump came on the scene spewing his vitrol

    Fani Willis (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 08:26:47 PM EST
    Reelected easily in Fulton Co GA

    Although I am on pins and needles.... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 04:43:16 PM EST
    Jeralyn, I think your prediction is spot on. The polls don't count first time voters (and there a lot). I think two or three states won by Orange Doofus will go to Harris this time around. Most likely NC, IA and KS.

    There is an abortion ballot measure (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 04:45:42 PM EST
    in FL!

    and they usually report pretty early I think.

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    Florida already called for Tr*mp. (none / 0) (#5)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 07:46:00 PM EST
    My county where Biden barely managed to win by a little over a 1000 votes (.22%) has gone all in for the felon. An almost 27k vote (over 5%) difference.
    Not feeling very positive about Amendment 4 passing.
    I am depressed.

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    That ballot measure (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 08:20:00 PM EST
    Is very disappointing

    Parent
    It's like the Senate's filibuster rule (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 08:23:47 PM EST
    The requirement of a 60% majority to amend the state constitution is daunting. I still want to wait for all the votes, including all mail-ins, to be counted, since the measure apparently is getting over 58%.

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    Nothing makes sense anymore. (none / 0) (#13)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 03:23:57 AM EST
    I was already shocked that my county (Pinellas) voted for Tr*mp with such a wide margin but Hillsborough county (right next door), a reliably blue county, also voted for Tr*mp with a similar margin.

    I just don't get it.  I was hoping FL would go blue but I knew that the odds were infinitesimal. But, counties that always vote blue switching, I did not see that at all.

    What are we missing? How could we have been so wrong?

    P.S.-  Happy Birthday, CaptHowdy. I hope you get to enjoy your day.

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    It won't be easy (5.00 / 6) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 07:45:20 AM EST
    But I will try.

    I'm pretty devastated.  Not sure what to do next.

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    Happy Birthday (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 07:45:30 PM EST
    Anyway, Capt. I know we're really unhappy (and appalled) at the election results.
    But celebrate yourself.  {{Hugs}}


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    You, me and millions of others. (none / 0) (#15)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 08:26:40 AM EST
    I cried when Hillary lost. This time I am numb.
    My brain is unable to process what just happened.

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    Not particularly logical (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 09:19:43 AM EST
    but I can't stop thinking about the Ukrainians

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    And Gaza or what's left of it. (none / 0) (#17)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 09:25:07 AM EST
    And the West Bank.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:32:14 PM EST
    No tears this time but a lot of frustration that we have to do this yet again. Some of this I can lay on the feet of Biden where he should have not run again.

    Maybe the house will flip blue that will be some cushion against the autocrats. Though to be honest I don't think they should block much of Trump's crazy because Americans need to feel the consequences

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    yeah (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by leap2 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:38:50 PM EST
    When TrumpMusk tariffs slam the people that wanted this--such as eastern Washington fruit and grain growers--I will just laugh at them.


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    We have a good friend (college classmate (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 04:41:30 PM EST
    of my wife's) who is a farmer of organic wheat and other grains in NE Oregon and Eastern WA. He took four days off to canvass for KH in Pennsylvania last month (staying at our house). He doesn't deserve anything bad at all.

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    I am sorry for your friend. (none / 0) (#32)
    by leap2 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 04:46:21 PM EST
    He doesn't deserve what's coming. But an awful lot of his farmer/rancher neighbors who have those huge Trump signs by the sides of their fields, deserve it.

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    Your friend (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 04:59:05 PM EST
    Absolutely doesn't deserve it and bon either do a lot if other people. Same as last time. Though this time I am going to be mean and relish the suffering of maga because they knew who hat they were doing

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    I retired today. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 05:10:48 PM EST
    I cannot be a "good german." I cannot continue to work for a corporation whose only customer is same military that will, within 2 or 3 years, be using that corporation's weapons systems on the US public. We are witnessing the dawn of the Fourth Reich.


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    Congratulations on your (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 07:51:55 PM EST
    retirement! I hope you have good plans for using your time and talents.

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    Not really a cause for celebration. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 04:25:58 PM EST
    I will be taking a couple of big financial hits. I was originally going to retire in January 2025. After Tuesday, I just could not continue in the defense industry.

    As of January 20, I will be stateless and an enemy combatant in the country I once served.


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    Congratulations.. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 09:28:53 PM EST
    It's nice.  You're gonna like it.  Have some fun.  Your only job now is to stay healthly.

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    Don't know what to say. (none / 0) (#10)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 08:21:13 PM EST
    The resolution got over 57% of the vote (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM EST
    Unfortunately, it needed 60% to make it into the state constitution. Which honestly I don't think is a bad rule, in general, for constitutional amendments.

    Parent
    I agree with your prediction (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 04:50:34 PM EST
    I think she will win big and in very surprising places

    Nebraska (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 07:52:49 PM EST
    1was called for her already

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    I think (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 07:52:05 PM EST
    Harris will win. Trump is melting down begging people to vote in blue wall states. The exit polls if they are correct show a solid Harris win in PA and that is the ballgame. I think NC flips but Georgia? Not sure. Trump is doing better in the rural but worse in the suburbs.

    A 50-year old, always-single, white male neighbor (none / 0) (#8)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 05, 2024 at 08:08:13 PM EST
    who is a skilled sprinkler fitter -- one of the few non-college, true working class folks on the block -- told us he voted today for the first time. (My wife had talked him into registering a few years ago, but we still couldn't get him to vote.) May be related to the fact that he recently took in a nephew (and the nephew's wife) to share the house he inherited from his parents. And they put two Harris-Walz signs in the front yard. He didn't tell us how he voted.

    Well I'm just disgusted. (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 10:15:58 AM EST
    It's going to be a new and much uglier America.

    So, what happened? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 10:41:30 AM EST
    We heard for two weeks that there was "record turnout" - only it turns out that 20 million less of us turned out this year than in 2020. I've never been more disappointed in my own country and fellow Americans than I am today. A few thoughts in the immediate wake of this political disaster:

    1. By almost any statistical and legislative measure of accomplishment, particularly given our polarizing times, Joe Biden's tenure in the White House was incredibly successful. So why were so many in the media so eager to denigrate his presidency and so willing to tear him down?

    2. The 2024 campaign was fought over our longstanding principles of democracy, the rule of law, and protection for the least amongst us, and for our values of basic common decency and respect for the rights of others. Well, those principles and values didn't just lose yesterday. They lost badly.

    3. Historically, I think Attorney General Merrick Garland will be remembered as not unlike George B. McClellan, the timid Union commander whose stubborn insistence on doing things strictly by the book allowed his nimbler Confederate adversaries to twice wiggle free and escape his grasp.

    Garland had one job to do: corral Donald Trump in the wake of the January 6 plot and bring him to justice. By dithering for well over a year before finally being prodded by Congress to act, he not only failed in his duty, but he ensured that the coup plotters got away with it. Justice delayed will be justice denied.

    4. The greatest existential threat to U.S. security is not Russia, China, Iran or any combination thereof. Rather, as the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. once counseled us over 60 years ago, nothing is more dangerous than our own sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

    5. Democracy ensures that people get the government they deserve. So, enjoy the ride, America - and remember: You asked for it.

    Aloha.

    Post Mortem (none / 0) (#20)
    by coast on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:20:49 PM EST
    The post mortem on this election will take time and will be studied for years to come.  However the initial question that needs to be delved into is the one you open with - what happened to the democratic vote from 2020.  15-20 million varinace from the previous election is gigantic.  How was there this level of apathy when the overwhelming message was democracy was at stake?  It simply doesn't make sense.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:27:02 PM EST
    A lot of people have those same questions about turnout. I guess one day we will find out

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    4x as many people in Florida (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:56:02 PM EST
    voted for Biden than voted for Harris?
    Did I read that right? Or was that just in one county? Either way, it's weird.

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    Must have been a county (none / 0) (#28)
    by coast on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 03:13:23 PM EST
    Biden received 5.3m in FL in 2020.  Harris is at 4.7m.

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    The margin of misogyny, plus (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 04:43:25 PM EST
    the margin of racism?

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    Racism, (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 07:47:46 PM EST
    misogyny , and ignorance.   For starters.

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    I am sure that had a lot to do with it. (none / 0) (#34)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 04:59:43 PM EST
    But, I wonder if she had had more time, instead of just the 100+ days to campaign if the results might have been different.

    She may be the VP but she was definitely not as familiar as the felon. Whereas, Tr*mp has been on the airwaves day in and day out for almost a decade. I guess, familiarity does not always breed contempt.

    A few days ago, I mentioned a Republican neighbor of mine who told me she had voted for Kamala. I didn't mention that she also said that she had heard Tr*mp was going to win the popular vote this time. I laughed and told her that was impossible.
    Don't I look like the idiot now?

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    Key word in there: felon (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 08:47:48 PM EST
    and a habitual liar and a conspiracy-mongering, fascistic, un-American, anti-democratic insurrectionist.

    And they still like and respect him enough to vote for him.

    I don't know what you do with people like that. Did someone dump a massive amount of LSD into the groundwater down there or something?

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    I talked with a cousin of mine in Illinois. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 03:49:23 AM EST
    She had but three words to say about Trump's re-election:
    "I feel mortified."

    That pretty much summed it up.

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    I think way more people (none / 0) (#49)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 10:39:51 AM EST
    than we realize 'snapped' during Covid and never came back completely. And a fair number of them are in positions of influence, like Musk.

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    I think (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 08, 2024 at 06:45:21 AM EST
    You are onto something. I read that people spent too much time on YouTube going down conspiracy rabbit holes during covid. Some came back but apparently not enough.

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    Merrick Garland (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:27:26 PM EST
    I read a little more deeply about Garland's relationship with Jamie Gorlick their history together and clients they've worked for and came away with the distinct impression that nether believes in anything more meaningful than a luxury condo in Miami Beach in the next few years and a second home in Martha's Vinyard.

    As George Carlin one succinctly put it, these people belong to the same club and you ain't in it.

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    He has proven to be (none / 0) (#55)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 04:22:42 PM EST
    a worthless milquetoast.

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    The press is awful (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 02:34:13 PM EST
    They were awful to Hillary kamala too. The good news is they have been replaced by other outlets and if they think they are going to get the subscribers they get before they are in for an awakening

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    I can't comprehend (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 03:01:45 PM EST
    how people are perfectly fine with the U.S being represented in the world by a semi-literate, barely-cognizant slob.

    Are we now a nation of semi-literate, barely-cognizant slobs? I'm starting to think so.

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    I never thought so. (none / 0) (#29)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 03:17:59 PM EST
    But, when Tr*mp won the first time. It became apparent that it definitely is.

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    A fair number of people (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 05:05:00 PM EST
    are saying they voted for Trump because of the Cheneys and the neocon factor. Talk about an alliance that backfired.

    I don't buy for a second the "Trump is anti-war" trope, but a lot of details-averse people did.

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    Well, Tr*mp is "anti-war" in the (none / 0) (#39)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 07:50:22 PM EST
    isolationist sense, like the original America First crowd. Interestingly, the anti-WWII America First Committee was founded at Yale Law School, by a blue-blood law student who was a Princeton grad (same educational pedigree as Alito).

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    I'm not even sure (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 10:55:17 PM EST
    if he's really even an isolationist, considering all the drone attacks he greenlighted. Wouldn't those be considered acts of war?

    "No new wars" was in reality more like no new major conflicts the U.S was directly involved in. Talk about a low bar.

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    I am not even (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 06:01:45 PM EST
    Sure he will stay out of a war. He has a major Iran war hawk on his team and can see when things go south for him going to war with Iran for a distraction

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    Trying to Think Positively (none / 0) (#43)
    by RickyJim on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 09:23:48 PM EST
    I'll spare you all from my standard rant of blaming what happened on the fact that we still use  the US Constitution, whose use by date occurred around 200 years ago, rather than claiming that the current citizenship of the US is stupid as I have been reading in this thread.

    Some hope for optimism in the next four years comes from Trump's transactionalism.  Maybe he will decide that he doesn't need Miriam Adelson's money any more and will adopt the same stance towards Israel as he has towards the Ukraine and stop both wars (with only 2 phone calls :-).  Maybe he will get tired of EM and RFK Jr's showboating and fire them early on.  Just hoping.  What else is there to do?

    I could sell you a bridge in Brooklyn. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 04:21:45 PM EST
    Keep grasping the unicorns and rainbow.

    The US Constitution is done. Not worth the paper it is printed on. SCOTUS has already proved that.

    It is only valid if it can be enforced. Who is left to do that?

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    Obviously, You Didn't Understand Me (none / 0) (#59)
    by RickyJim on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 05:34:01 PM EST
    If the Constitution had a reasonable way to select a chief executive, neither Harris nor Trump would have survived the process. I have mentioned one such way previously:
    1. An electoral college of elected officials (e.g. governors and mayors of large cities) votes for their favorites in June.
    2. The 10 highest vote getters from 1, face a national popular vote referendum (state boundaries irrelevant) in August.
    3. There is a runoff among the top 2 from 2 in November.  The need to name their Vice President ahead of the vote.

    A new constitution needs to be proposed and subject to a popular referendum. It is very important that the individual states have no role.
    If the framers of such a new constitution do a good job and are good at selling it, it will pass overwhelmingly and eventually lead to its adoption. And of course it should have built in, restrictions on judicial activism.

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    What the f*** are you even talking about? (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 08, 2024 at 02:17:37 AM EST
    RickyJim: "If the Constitution had a reasonable way to select a chief executive, neither Harris nor Trump would have survived the process."

    Did you drop acid before posting? How exactly does the Constitution disqualify Kamala Harris? As someone who engaged in insurrection, Trump was ineligible to hold public office under Amendment XIV, Sec. 3 - that is, he was until the Supreme Court twisted themselves into a legal logic pretzel to void it.

    "A new constitution needs to be proposed and subject to popular referendum."

    After the results we just witnessed on Tuesday night, the mere fact that you would even suggest such an absurdity renders you an unserious person.

    Aloha.

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    Goodbye Jack Smith... (none / 0) (#45)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 06, 2024 at 09:52:49 PM EST
    I can't say it's been swell.

    Special counsel prosecutors will shut down their criminal cases against Donald Trump before he takes office, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter.


    Whatever else (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 06:26:25 AM EST
    It's not on Kamala. She did everything right.

    She was amazing.  

    Here's what might be a hopeful detail.  I don't think Trumpism is transferable.  No republican but him IMO could have done this.

    And while him dying (a distinct possibility) in office won't solve anything in the short term Vance will never be president.

    Trumpism won't survive after Trump.

    Not that cheering I know but it's the best I can do.


    We're in a Catch 22 (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 11:04:13 AM EST
    Imo, the only way Trumpism won't survive and his proteges, like Don Jr and Vance don't ride on his coat tails forever is if he's an absolute of horror as a president, and if he's an absolute horror it could damage the country irrevocably, which no sane person wants. It's obviously already damaged enough.

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    Speaking of Catch 22... (none / 0) (#51)
    by vml68 on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 01:51:05 PM EST
    I have been vacillating between hoping things don't get as bad as I anticipate it will and wanting to let it all burn to the ground so people wake the f*ck up. Rage-filled and bitter, not me :-)!

    I was talking to a guy I know recently. His wife was diabetic but couldn't be bothered to take the prescribed medications because the pills were "too large". They pretty much live on junk food. She is obese, can barely walk and spends most of her day watching TV or gaming. Years of this and now in her mid 50s her kidneys are failing. She is on dialysis and has been put on a kidney transplant list.

    I expressed concern about how expensive it must all be because they are low income. He cheerfully informed me that while the bills for the dialysis are close to $200K/month, Medicaid covers pretty much all of it and will also cover all the costs of the kidney transplant. Tr*mp supporter and decries "socialism".

    I wanted to scream but just bit my tongue. I don't wish them harm but how do you get through to someone like that.


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    Maybe they will figure it out (none / 0) (#53)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 04:19:19 PM EST
    when the first $200K bill hits their mailbox. Because the Medicaid spigot got cut off. And it will.

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    He will (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 05:58:40 PM EST
    Collapse the economy within six months. A friend of mine who is a econ prof at Penn State says his plan will produce 6% negative GDP in short order. So it will be high inflation and high unemployment. The bad thing is he can still destroy our institutions even with a low approval rating and if course he is going to continue committing crimes throughout

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    Early Birthday wishes for Keysdan and Fishcamp. (none / 0) (#52)
    by vml68 on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 01:58:10 PM EST
    I am going to tune out for sometime so I can maintain my sanity.
    Will spend most of my time gardening and training my new puppy.

    Thank-you all for not letting me feel alone in this nightmare we find ourselves in.

    Your remembering (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 04:26:35 PM EST
    my Birthday means a lot to me.  So, thank you.

     Yes, being in a community of grievers helps. Haven't determined if so much of the electorate is ignorant or stupid.  Maybe, some of each, differences being in the proportions. Apparently, some civically untethered thought Joe Biden was on the ballot.  And, then there were those who voted to include the right to abortion in their state constitutions, but then voted for the guy who  made it necessary to do so.  Go figure.

    And, it is all so confusing.  On Monday, Democracy was on the line by Trump and his minions and on Wednesday, a smooth transition is being pledged along with an invitation to the White House to discuss the transition to fascism.

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    Yes yes Happy Birthday all (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 04:38:38 PM EST
    and as the Irish say, May you escape the gallows, avoid distress, and be as healthy as a trout.

    I've never been a big house plant person, but I've decided to take the plunge in a big way, figuring that having a lot of things green and growing in the house is a symbol of hope, if nothing else. And I could use one about now.

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    I am over (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 05:47:58 PM EST
    The grief stage and onto the FAFO stage. I told the magats today good luck if your child gets kidnapped and taken across state lines with an FBI filled with incompetent Trump sycophants. I guess it sucks to be you. Good luck to you. And I told them I am expecting free food on Jan 20 because isn't Trump supposed to automatically deliver cheap food. I am so over these idiots. And when Trump takes all the farm workers and construction workers out of the country I am sure they will step up to take the jobs.lol.

    They stupidly think liberals are soft. They have no idea how tough liberals are and liberals immediately started preparing for the impending disaster while they are sitting around high fiving themselves. We already had to fight this one time. So we know while they are clueless as to what tarrifs are going to do.

    /rant

    They (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 06:33:13 PM EST
     voted for him because he says things he won't do.  He lies all the time and they dismissed  as a lie those things they didn't like.  And, he is an entertainer and, to them, funny.  Democrats are boring what with their serious governance.   Also the price of eggs was too high a year ago.  And, don't get them started on gas prices a couple of years ago.

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    Angertainment (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 07, 2024 at 09:32:18 PM EST
    And grievance. too bad so sad that no prices are going to go down.I don't know how many times I have had to regurgitate college economics today. Hated that class in college but it has served me well lately

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    Captain (none / 0) (#66)
    by jmacWA on Fri Nov 08, 2024 at 04:29:26 AM EST
    Have a great day.

    So my (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 08, 2024 at 06:49:33 AM EST
    Trumpet sister in law wants us all to go on vacation with her. The first time I let her off the hook but I can't give her that grace this time putting a convicted felon in office.

    Any advice from people in similar situations would be appreciated